The New Normal Podcast The podcast for multitasking parents - a casual discussion about everything and anything pertaining to life as working parents.

June 13, 2018  

Laura Vickers is a lawyer and mum of two who has carved out a niche for herself in the legal world with her practice Nest Legal based in Melbourne. She explains to us why it’s important to have the difficult conversations around who will look after your kids if you die, who gets your assets and what songs you want played at your funeral.

Her practice focusses on families, wills, tax and property conveyancing, and strives to be a family-friendly little hamlet in the decidedly unfamily-friendly legal world.

We learn that pre-nups are not as big a deal as we thought, that the wills you buy at the post office probably aren’t comprehensive enough and a handy recipe for Sausage Slurry, which ticks all our boxes for easy, fast, healthy and good for little tummies.

May 23, 2018  

While admittedly this episode starts with a requisite debrief on *the* Royal wedding, if you're in need of some high quality TV series' and podcasts to get hooked into while the weather is chilly, this episode has heaps of our recent (or ol' favourite) recommendations. Then we delve into how and why Tess is trying (and so far failing) to make some new local mum friends, and share our friendship origin story, a.k.a that time when we awkwardly met at a cafe having read eachother's blogs and stalked eachother online. Plus we offer some parenting hacks and a few chuckles. Enjoy! 


Every Decision My Kids Made Me Make In One Day
Small Acts of Disappearance by Fiona Wright
Unbearable Lightness: A Story of Loss and Gain by Portia de Rossi


Supernanny (Youtube)
The Handmaid’s Tale (SBS) - no spoilers!
Safe Harbour (SBS)
Love My Way
Seven Types of Ambiguity
The Beautiful Lie


Ladies, We Need To Talk (new season)
The Habitat
Hillary Clinton on Conversations


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May 9, 2018  

If this bumper episode sounds like you’re eavesdropping on three friends who haven’t seen each other in a while, then that’s exactly what it is. 

We catch up with past guest Lorelei Vashti (author of How to Choose Your Baby’s Last Name: A Handbook for New Parents) who we first spoke to way back in episode 27. Lorelei generously shares all about her two very different home births, dealing with birth trauma and what help is out there for parents who may be struggling.


The birthing course that Lorelei mentioned is through Birthing Wisdom by Rhea Dempsey.

The anti-anxiety weighted blanket that Emma raves about it is from Calming Moments.

If you or another parent you know is struggling with emotional wellbeing, you can call PANDA on 1300 726 306.



April 25, 2018  

A LOT of random ground in covered in this episode, featuring Emma & Tess chit chatting about recent reads and audiovisual consumption. Cults, cold case murder investigations, stars without makeup, wills, Beyonce... See? Plus, a discussion about asking for flexibility at your workplace before/after you've been offered a new job; and two parenting hacks that that will make you a whole lot less frustrated by the minutiae of daily parenting life! :D


Ordinary People by Diana Evans
Zero Fucks Cookbook by Yumi Stynes
7 Damaging Parenting Behaviors That Keep Children From Growing Into Leaders
Guide to pre-death life admin

Watching (all on Netflix):

The Keepers
Wild Wild Country 


In The Loop podcast


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April 11, 2018  

It seems unbelievable that after 58 episodes, this is the first one where we have deep-dived into IVF. Fertility issues affect one in six couples, and more than 70,000 IVF cycles are performed in Australia each year.

But photographer Jess Reftel-Evans came to IVF for a different reason to most people: Jess has a genetic condition that she didn’t want to pass onto her offspring. She answers all our nosey questions about egg harvesting and HCF levels, and graciously puts up with us exclaiming, ‘Oh my God!’ every few seconds.

We also chat about celebrity pregnancies (Janet Jackson fell pregnant at 50!?!) giving false hope to regular women, maintaining a relationship through IVF and how much parenting is like having a dog: kids eat food off the floor, require a lot of walks and will poo anywhere. Some even require leashes!   

March 27, 2018  

Only a privileged few have ever set eyes on Tess' weekly meal plan, but in this episode the origin and power of this document is revealed once and for all (and it's actually super easy for you to try for yourself!). Also, we talk about the books and podcasts we've been consuming, and offer a couple of parenting hacks including one that will make bathtime easier, and one that will make you a fancy free human adult who enjoys midday movies and long lunches with your lover.


Love Warrior by Glennon Doyle Melton

Picnic at Hanging Rock by Joan Lindsay


She-Ra (Netflix)

Better Things (Foxtel)

Becoming Warren Buffett (on YouTube)


Auspicious Plastic podcast by Megan Spencer

Where Should We Begin podcast with Esther Perel (Season 2)


March 12, 2018  

Episode 57 is a special one. Instead of our usual mix of recommendations, updates and banter, we dedicate the entire episode to the stillbirth of Emma's daughter Edie in October last year. Her due date was last Saturday.

We discuss what happened, what helped and where to from here, including how you can help someone in similar circumstances.

You can find more of Emma's writing about her experience at her blog. 


This probably isn't an episode for little ears, or if you are feeling a little tender.



February 21, 2018  

It’s another episode chock-full of recommendations to make your sleep-deprived mind at least a little stimulated with culture. But ah, who are we kidding, we also spend a fair bit of time talking about the Belle Gibson saga. Later, Emma shares her experience attending speech therapy with her 5-year-old for the last few years, and we trade some parenting hacks we’ve only recently devised since becoming mums what seems like 400 years ago. Enjoy!

The Woman Who Fooled The World: Belle Gibson’s Cancer Con by Nick Toscano and Beau Donelly
Men Explain Things to Me by Rebecca Solnit
Rupi Kaur’s Milk and Honey and The Sun and Her Flowers
Ellen van Neervan’s Comfort Food

Death Sex Money podcast miniseries ‘Opportunity Costs’
Bang On with Myf and Zan
The Pineapple Project

Watching (on Netflix):
Black Mirror non-scary episodes e.g. s3e1 and s4 eps 1 & 4
Joan Didion documentary The Centre Will Not Hold

February 7, 2018  

Episode 55 is here, AKA the one where Emma learns that essential oils aren’t made from squashed flowers, Tess finally watches the Handmaid’s Tale and we talk about staying connected to a partner after a stillbirth. 

Also, Tess tells us what she learned at a first aid course for parents (hint: it's both helpful and terrifying) and we accept that broken limbs are probably part of our future.  



The Case Against Fragrance by Kate Grenville

Little Fires Everywhere by Celeste Ng

Buddhism for Mothers with Lingering Questions by Sarah Napthali

Fire and Fury by Michael Wolff



The Letdown - Alison Bell, Sasha Horler,

The Handmaid’s Tale

Lovesick on Netflix

Dark Net on Netflix



The Butterfly Effect by Jon Ronson

Esther Perel on The Longest Shortest Time

The Guilty Feminist



The Ordinary skincare



January 24, 2018  

Twas the night before Christmas, and Emma & Tess recorded a podcast! Don't worry, there's not much festive talk - Tess has just finished her first year as a school parent and Emma is in the throes of preparing to become one in February. Lots of cusp-of-new-kid-phase Q&As ensued. Plus, Emma read some (many) novels, Tess read a money management guide for people who aren't so cashed up, and they both listened to a new ABC podcast series that speaks to those of us who work+parent while female. Enjoy!



Our Magic Hour by Jennifer Down

Between a Wolf and a Dog by Georgia Blain

The Gulf by Anna Spargo-Ryan

Cat Person the original article (and the explainer Tess mentions)

The Vogue Factor by Kirstie Clements

The Barefoot Investor by Scott Pape



Sense of Self documentary about Liz Jackson

Search Party

The Crown

Broad City Season 3



Ladies we Need to Talk - the mental load episode

Tell Me It’s Gonna Be Okay

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