The New Normal Podcast The podcast for multitasking parents - a casual discussion about everything and anything pertaining to life as working parents.

March 12, 2018  

Episode 57 is a special one. Instead of our usual mix of recommendations, updates and banter, we dedicate the entire episode to the stillbirth of Emma's daughter Edie in October last year. Her due date was last Saturday.

We discuss what happened, what helped and where to from here, including how you can help someone in similar circumstances.

You can find more of Emma's writing about her experience at her blog. 


This probably isn't an episode for little ears, or if you are feeling a little tender.



February 21, 2018  

It’s another episode chock-full of recommendations to make your sleep-deprived mind at least a little stimulated with culture. But ah, who are we kidding, we also spend a fair bit of time talking about the Belle Gibson saga. Later, Emma shares her experience attending speech therapy with her 5-year-old for the last few years, and we trade some parenting hacks we’ve only recently devised since becoming mums what seems like 400 years ago. Enjoy!

The Woman Who Fooled The World: Belle Gibson’s Cancer Con by Nick Toscano and Beau Donelly
Men Explain Things to Me by Rebecca Solnit
Rupi Kaur’s Milk and Honey and The Sun and Her Flowers
Ellen van Neervan’s Comfort Food

Death Sex Money podcast miniseries ‘Opportunity Costs’
Bang On with Myf and Zan
The Pineapple Project

Watching (on Netflix):
Black Mirror non-scary episodes e.g. s3e1 and s4 eps 1 & 4
Joan Didion documentary The Centre Will Not Hold

February 7, 2018  

Episode 55 is here, AKA the one where Emma learns that essential oils aren’t made from squashed flowers, Tess finally watches the Handmaid’s Tale and we talk about staying connected to a partner after a stillbirth. 

Also, Tess tells us what she learned at a first aid course for parents (hint: it's both helpful and terrifying) and we accept that broken limbs are probably part of our future.  



The Case Against Fragrance by Kate Grenville

Little Fires Everywhere by Celeste Ng

Buddhism for Mothers with Lingering Questions by Sarah Napthali

Fire and Fury by Michael Wolff



The Letdown - Alison Bell, Sasha Horler,

The Handmaid’s Tale

Lovesick on Netflix

Dark Net on Netflix



The Butterfly Effect by Jon Ronson

Esther Perel on The Longest Shortest Time

The Guilty Feminist



The Ordinary skincare



January 24, 2018  

Twas the night before Christmas, and Emma & Tess recorded a podcast! Don't worry, there's not much festive talk - Tess has just finished her first year as a school parent and Emma is in the throes of preparing to become one in February. Lots of cusp-of-new-kid-phase Q&As ensued. Plus, Emma read some (many) novels, Tess read a money management guide for people who aren't so cashed up, and they both listened to a new ABC podcast series that speaks to those of us who work+parent while female. Enjoy!



Our Magic Hour by Jennifer Down

Between a Wolf and a Dog by Georgia Blain

The Gulf by Anna Spargo-Ryan

Cat Person the original article (and the explainer Tess mentions)

The Vogue Factor by Kirstie Clements

The Barefoot Investor by Scott Pape



Sense of Self documentary about Liz Jackson

Search Party

The Crown

Broad City Season 3



Ladies we Need to Talk - the mental load episode

Tell Me It’s Gonna Be Okay

January 10, 2018  

So that short break we took? It ended up being over a year! Such is life when you have small children. But we are back at the mic and have big plans for The New Normal in 2018.

The last time we recorded an episode, Obama was still US president, marriage equality in Australia was still a dream and Don Burke was still best known for being a gardening guru. Many changes, much to discuss!

This episode we give you a quick update on what we've been doing in the past year (in short: changing jobs, becoming school mums, dealing with some Big Things) and what you can expect in upcoming episodes (wonderful guests! book recommendations! political exasperation!).


Find us here:

Emma Clark Gratton: @emmaclarkgratton /

Tess McCabe: @tessmccabe /


We'd love it if you could tell a fellow parent friend about TNN, or leave us a review on iTunes or say hi on Instagram or Facebook @thenewnormalpodcast. We'll be back with BRAND NEW EPISODES very soon, so keep an eye on your podcast feed.


January 1, 2018  

The New Normal is BACK in 2018 and here's a special bonus episode to kick off the new year and new season. In August 2016 Emma and Tess invited two former guests - Kylie Lewis and Julia May - to Brunswick's CoWorkCo event space, were we sat in front of a live audience and discussed all sorts of things relating to parenthood, small business, work and life management. The result was a lovely conversation discussing the different ways we arrange our careers and work hours around childcare, how we relax our standards and learn to ask for help, how our upbringing influenced our parenting styles and the highs and lows being a modern parent provide. A big thank you to Kylie Lewis and Julia May for joining us and sharing their insights with us all!


Find us all online:

Kylie Lewis: @ofkin /

Julia May: @juliacmaybe /

Emma Clark Gratton: @emmaclarkgratton /

Tess McCabe: @tessmccabe /


We'd love it if you could tell a fellow parent friend about TNN, or leave us a review on iTunes or say hi on Instagram or Facebook @thenewnormalpodcast. We'll be back with BRAND NEW EPISODES very soon, so keep an eye on your podcast feed.

September 19, 2016  

After a couple of thwarted attempts to get this episode into your ears, we made it! This week Emma and Tess chat about the evolution of feminism in Disney films (and in the world), how to make your kids understand the value of a hard-earned dollar, and have a little (NOT-pregnancy related) announcement. Plus, our recent reads, TV recc's and what to do with a feral goat (seriously). Enjoy!
Books: You'll grow out of it by Jessi Klein and The Regulars by Georgia Clark
Podcasts: Ideas at the HouseHow to Be Amazing 
TV: The Americans, Homeland, The Affair
Article: Why You Should Tell Your Children How Much Money You Make
Documentary: Dis(Honesty): The Truth About Lies 

...PLUS you can subscribe to Tess' new weekly newsletter Sylloge for more interesting reading/podcast recommendations at, or follow Emma's writings over at

Suggest a guest for when we return in 2017! Or just say hi / encourage us on our quest for sanity:

August 30, 2016  

Excuse the chewing sounds in this episode, Claire brought cake to share and obviously we couldn't wait to hoe in! Claire Berry's story begins like most of our interviews, with a self-employed mum of two young kids, and then takes a sharp turn when she discusses the (frankly, fascinating) story of having her second child through a surrogate. Claire has a medical condition which prevented her from carrying a second child, so her and her husband went through the process of surrogacy, which was a minefield of bureaucracy, but ultimately led to the safe arrival of her son.

Claire is a medical industry interview consultant and works from home, so we also discuss the joy and despair of working from home with kids underfoot, the added stress of managing a medical condition while parenting, and our very 'spirited' toddlers. 

August 17, 2016  

It's episode 50! And thus we celebrate by recording this episode sans-bras (but remember it's audio only, creepy internet people). As usual we criss-cross the stratosphere of topics and touch on attachment parenting, arranged marriages, polyamory, and learning about Tinder when you've been married for almost a decade. Less click-baity discussion topics include our tips for taking a "holiday" with young kids (read: doing parenting in a different place for a predetermined period of time) and how to get rid of head lice the cheap way.  

Books: Liane Moriarty's Truly, Madly, Guilty and The Hypnotist's Love Story
Book: Ann Lamott's Bird by Bird
TV show: You Can't Ask That on iView
Podcast: Malcolm Gladwell's Revisionist History
Funny article: The Ugly Volvo - The Difficulties of Trying for a Second Child
Podcast: Science Vs Attachment Parenting
Book: Alain de Botton The Course of Love

August 3, 2016  

Bec Mutch is the lady behind The CoworkCo, a boutique co-working space in Brunswick. She saw a niche for an excellent co-working space that blends the best parts of creative studios, corporate offices and working from home. After beginning her career in luxury goods (fancy!), she began freelancing after her kids were born and struggled to find a decent co-working option, so began her own!

We chat about the highs and slows of starting a business, and have a mini feminism rant about the term 'mumpreneur' (where are all the dadpreneurs?!).

On that note, we are holding our very first podcasting event at The CoworkCo! Come and chat to Tess and Emma, plus our past guests Kylie Lewis and Julia May about all things parenting, business and creativity.

LIVE PANEL EVENT ~ Mums in business: Making it work ~ 2pm, Saturday 27 August 2016 @ The CoWorkCo, 421 Lygon St Brunswick East, Melbourne. Tickets here!


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